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Hop boil time - 2008/01/14 23:22 Ken & I finally decided to brew "all grain" yesterday. Started at 2:00 pm. Mistakes made -- oh yeah! Called in the beer calvary -- Phil McDermott and Mike Hufnagel. Our grain temp was not what it should have been and starch conversion was also taking way too long. Okay, so after much discussion and "fixing" all was okay.

Decided to leave the wort sit overnight and hop in the morning due to time. This became my job on my own. Hope I did it right. Finally made use of the wort chiller I purchased from Ray -- temp came down fast.

Question -- Recipe states "First hop addition at start of boil (90 minutes). second hop addition at 30 minutes left in boil and the third hop addition at end of boil." Recipe ingredients show after each ingredient - (90 mins) for the first hop, (30 mins) for the second and (0 mins) for the third. Was I ever confused, left on my own and everyone at work.

Is the total boil 90 minutes with second hop added at 30 minutes into the boil? Third hop just states at "end of boil" (0 minutes) -- (0 mins) -- why bother to put in all all if "0 minutes." Or.... am I totally wrong and total boil was to be 90 + 30 + 0.

I called Dan Listermann and he stated a 60 minute total boil and turn off at end and put third hops in and leave for 5-10 minutes.

Thoughts for the new brewer please. Sue Bertke

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Re:Hop boil time - 2008/01/15 18:45 sbertke wrote:

Question -- Recipe states "First hop addition at start of boil (90 minutes). second hop addition at 30 minutes left in boil and the third hop addition at end of boil." Recipe ingredients show after each ingredient - (90 mins) for the first hop, (30 mins) for the second and (0 mins) for the third. Was I ever confused, left on my own and everyone at work.

Is the total boil 90 minutes with second hop added at 30 minutes into the boil? Third hop just states at "end of boil" (0 minutes) -- (0 mins) -- why bother to put in all all if "0 minutes." Or.... am I totally wrong and total boil was to be 90 + 30 + 0.

I called Dan Listermann and he stated a 60 minute total boil and turn off at end and put third hops in and leave for 5-10 minutes.

Sue-
Many sources recommend a 90 minute boil (Wheeler and Protz, "Brew Classic European Styles at Home", for example). Your recipe lists one addition at the start of the boil, one after 60 minutes of boiling, and one when done. So the time listed is the amount of time in the boil.

Why zero minutes? That is essentially an aroma hop addition - add the hops, turn off the flame - usually I start the chilling immediately and the hops are in for a few minutes before the kettle is emptied. If hop aroma isn't enough, you can always dry hop later.

Hope this helps.

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Re:Hop boil time - 2008/01/15 20:59 Dave,

Thanks that does help. It was an interesting experience hopping by myself. It may be a "bad" porter, but it is bubbling so at least I can call it beer at some point.

I read and reread and called Dan. Believe I did the first two hop additions correctly. As for the third and length of time, that is questionable.

Also, I just kept adding more hops to the original bag. Is that okay or should I have taken the first totally out and then used a new bag for each addition?

-- Sue Sue Bertke

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Re:Hop boil time - 2008/01/18 04:03 If you add more hops to a bag, you run this risk of stuffing it really full and then you lose efficiency. As it is, hop bags reduce your efficiency by about 10% (that means increase your target IBUs by 10% when doing recipe formulation).

You certainly shouldn't remove any hops - you are counting on the bittering hops being in there for the maximum time to get your desired bitterness. If you added hops at 90 minutes and then took them out at 60, that would be like only having them there for 30 minutes.

So I'd recommend using a new bag for each addition and leaving the prior bags in the kettle. That's why I prefer whole hops instead of pellet, but a lot of time we don't have that option. Arthur: What's so bad about being drunk?
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